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EV[Special Event]
PW[Kobayashi Koichi]WR[9 dan]
PB[Yuki Satoshi]BR[9 dan]
KM[5.5]
DT[1997-08-22]
PC[Japan]
RE[B+7.5]
US[Jan.van.der.Steen@cwi.nl]

;B[qd]C[
 imp NR : hi all:)
 jansteen 3d*:  Hi all, this is my birthday celebration game :)
 jansteen 3d*:  one minute pls...
 imp NR : congratulations jan! :)
 imp NR : he has his mouth full with cakes presumably:)
 jansteen 3d*:  40+ bhuang :)
 jansteen 3d*:  Thanks guys, pls sing now... :)
]
;W[dp]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  we wish you many poka's...
 jansteen 3d*:  :)
]
;B[cn]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  This game is a special event, Japanese like that
 suzhou 2k*: b good:)
 jansteen 3d*:  So the players are sitting on the stage, 400 people watching them
 jansteen 3d*:  Very uncomfortable it seems, but pro's are used to it
 jansteen 3d*:  During the game it's analysed and players even can hear the comments
 imp NR : must be painfull to blunder then:)
 jansteen 3d*:  But they are usually 100percent concentrated anyway so no problem
 jansteen 3d*:  Yes, imp, sometimes painful :)
 jansteen 3d*:  But collegue pro commentators are very political :)
 jansteen 3d*:  Next game might be other way around... :)
]
;W[fq]C[
 imp NR : they can be sitting there another day:)
]
;B[dc]
;W[de]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  right :)
]
;B[cg]
;W[dg]
;B[dh]
;W[eg]
;B[cf]
;W[ce]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Use translate pls monet2
 jansteen 3d*:  malf, c10 seems overlapping with c6, other options?
 jansteen 3d*:  No, direction was ok
 imp NR : f16?
 jansteen 3d*:  What's white's threat here
 imp NR : oh, d10 then?
 jansteen 3d*:  Yes, c9 worse than c10 :)
 jansteen 3d*:  d10 is unusual shape imp, sometimes d11 is shape
 imp NR : yes right
 dniles 13k :  What abou the simple C11?
 imp NR : c11 something?
 jansteen 3d*:  c11 would locally be best, but game is better :)
 jansteen 3d*:  c11 is farest away from c6 malf
 jansteen 3d*:  c10 is loose
 imp NR : e12
 jansteen 3d*:  But, what's white's threat, when black tenuki on left?
 dniles 13k :  E12 seems to hvae fighting spirit.
 jansteen 3d*:  yes, imp!
 jansteen 3d*:  good dniles
 imp NR : which is not w treat btw:)
 jansteen 3d*:  e12 anticipates white's d10
]
;B[eh]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Now cut at d14 is serious
]
;W[ed]
;B[ec]
;W[gd]
;B[gb]
;W[hc]
;B[hb]
;W[ic]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  I like next move
 imp NR : he, would expect f17 instead of e17
 jansteen 3d*:  It's vital point for power
 dniles 13k :  J18 here feels too slow.
 jansteen 3d*:  imp, black was alreay planning next move
 imp NR : f12
 jansteen 3d*:  Yes, good feeling imp
]
;B[fh]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  suddenly all white stones unhappy
 imp NR : slow but powerfull
 jansteen 3d*:  Imagine when white is allowed nidan-bane at this point
 jansteen 3d*:  Yes malf, but we do :)
 dniles 13k :  what is nidan-bane, it didn't translate?
 jansteen 3d*:  Now, what's black's price to pay?
 iota NR : translate nidan  by itself
 jansteen 3d*:  nidan-bane is hane, hane, hane
 enh 5k*:  q4
 jansteen 3d*:  We learned from previous pro games there is always a price
 jansteen 3d*:  How to let black pay for this point?
 imp NR : nice: all w stones seem to shrink away:)
 Grandad 6k*: e6?
 jansteen 3d*:  e6 is defensive Grandad
 iota NR : q4
 jansteen 3d*:  d7 is interesting, but panicy
 enh 5k*:  c8
 jansteen 3d*:  Think: black usually would defend top instead of f12
 enh 5k*:  d8
]
;W[bc]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  yes!
]
;B[be]
;W[bd]
;B[bf]
;W[fc]
;B[fb]
;W[cb]
;B[ib]
;W[jc]
;B[db]
;W[da]
;B[dd]
;W[ee]
;B[gc]
;W[cd]
;B[fd]
;W[ge]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  I was afraid of that question :)
 imp NR : what a strange order of moves...
 jansteen 3d*:  To explain the corner I have to show many moves
 jansteen 3d*:  So I tried to skip it :)
 jansteen 3d*:  Is that ok?
 jansteen 3d*:  Homework? :)
 imp NR : well, it's your party:)
 jansteen 3d*:  thanks imp, good sport :)
 jansteen 3d*:  Anyway, black's capture in sente with f16 allows another tenuki
]
;B[nc]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  So now white has risk to fall behind in territory
 imp NR : to me, b is leading much
 jansteen 3d*:  Consequently he invades left side, suggestions pls :)
 jansteen 3d*:  Yes, levner, good
]
;W[cl]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Next black move is for you to guess, a beer for correct answer
 imp NR : how many guesses?
 jansteen 3d*:  has to do with status of top black group
 imp NR : :)
 jansteen 3d*:  imp: 3 each
 jansteen 3d*:  I forget about b4
 enh 5k*:  . d7?
 jansteen 3d*:  didn't see correct move yet
 jansteen 3d*:  Remembe rthe hin tmalf
 imp NR : c9
 jansteen 3d*:  Sorry: remember the hint malf
 enh 5k*:  d9
 jansteen 3d*:  Hint: is white m17 sente?
 iota NR : definitely
 jansteen 3d*:  right
 imp NR : b19
 jansteen 3d*:  Hint: is white n17 sente?
 imp NR : b18
 jansteen 3d*:  Think more towards the center imp
 iota NR : e19 assures life, but there's probably a more elegant way
 imp NR : that was third:)
 jansteen 3d*:  Yes malf :)
 iota NR : l18, yeah
 jansteen 3d*:  10 seconds...
 jansteen 3d*:  5...
 iota NR : j15
 jansteen 3d*:  yes!
 enh 5k*:  e7
]
;B[ie]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  There goes a beer! :)
 jansteen 3d*:  Black's philosphy: white n17 sente on my top group...
 imp NR : congrat. iota; those beers are not easy to earn:)
 jansteen 3d*:  so I want to defend it...
 jansteen 3d*:  So let's destroy white's shape before doing so....
 jansteen 3d*:  Kind of: Kikashi before living
]
;W[lc]
;B[ea]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Black j15 was very much admired and appreciated by audience and commentator
 jansteen 3d*:  Of course there is a price :)
 jansteen 3d*:  White sente and able to play again on left side
 iota NR : It's gratifying to know I might eventually be good at this game :) (20k* now)
]
;W[ci]
;B[ch]C[
 imp NR : you can be sure to progress iota:)
 jansteen 3d*:  When we meet someday I owe you a beer iota :)
]
;W[if]C[
 iota NR : ok :)
 jansteen 3d*:  White takes care of h16 cutting point
 jansteen 3d*:  Black to attack left side stones, how to proceed?
 jansteen 3d*:  (no beer, standard procedure...)
 iota NR : hee hee
 imp NR : e7?
 jansteen 3d*:  Consider strength of c6, is it strong?
 imp NR : sorry, d7
 jansteen 3d*:  e7 is correct idea: strengthen c6
 jansteen 3d*:  d7 same idea: strengthen c6 and thus weaken white's group on left side
 imp NR : hmm, c4?
 jansteen 3d*:  e6 normal move, but missing suji move
 jansteen 3d*:  yes, c4 is suji here
]
;B[cp]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  idea: keep white busy in the corner while gaining strength to attack left more seriously
]
;W[cq]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Next?
 imp NR : d5
 jansteen 3d*:  yes
]
;B[do]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Black b3 would be the move for settling, this move is for attacking
 imp NR : hi:)
 jansteen 3d*:  Hi shouzhuo, nice to see you again :)
]
;W[bp]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Next?
 jansteen 3d*:  Won and lost :)
 jansteen 3d*:  I played 3-2, games were ok I think
 jansteen 3d*:  e4 is one suggestion, others?
 imp NR : b5
 jansteen 3d*:  yes, b5
]
;B[bo]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Look at white's c8 and c11, they almost died
 jansteen 3d*:  right shouzhuo, b5 is a 100 percent no-no
 imp NR : better to drop dead than to play c5, honestly
 jansteen 3d*:  sorry, c5
 jansteen 3d*:  right imp :)
]
;W[co]
;B[hf]
;W[he]
;B[cp]
;W[el]
;B[bq]
;W[co]
;B[gf]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  perfect ko threat
]
;W[ff]
;B[cp]
;W[ep]
;B[ap]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  So black gained from weakness of c8 and c11 by capturing stone in the corner
 imp NR : seems nobody interested in empty corner:)
]
;W[hh]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Yes, shouzhuo :)
 jansteen 3d*:  A very nice point, mutual power point, comparable with e12 earlier
 jansteen 3d*:  Suddenly black weak, agree
]
;B[bi]
;W[bj]
;B[cj]
;W[dj]
;B[di]
;W[ej]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Pro's *always* go for shape
 jansteen 3d*:  Their years of experience assured them shape can be trusted
 jansteen 3d*:  Good shouzhuo :)
]
;B[bk]
;W[ck]
;B[aj]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Ok, fight comes to a rest
 jansteen 3d*:  Very interesting so far
 imp NR : finally, the empty corner:)
 jansteen 3d*:  Next white move?
 jansteen 3d*:  Yes imp, any favorite point? :)
 bada 3d : near q4 or f6 or r14? :-)
 jansteen 3d*:  Why p4 shouzhuo?
 imp NR : r5
 jansteen 3d*:  ok
 colombe 2d*: hi all; i'm late
 jansteen 3d*:  Hi colombe :)
 imp NR : hi:)
 bada 3d : let's see it, jansteen :-)
 jansteen 3d*:  Black choose fast move
 colombe 2d*: hi hi, cui cui all
]
;W[pp]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  White I mean, sorry
 bada 3d : well, nothing unusual it seems
 iota NR : interesting how only 3 stones in right diagonal half of board
 imp NR : r6 now?
 jansteen 3d*:  Next black move very fascinating
 jansteen 3d*:  A kikashi
 colombe 2d*: g4 ????
 jansteen 3d*:  Very close colombe!
 bada 3d : f9?
]
;B[fo]C[
 colombe 2d*: f9 close to g4 ?
 jansteen 3d*:  This makes white feel uncomfortable
 bada 3d : f5 is good (after the fact) ;-)
 colombe 2d*: not really a kikashi
 bada 3d : f9 was too early
 jansteen 3d*:  g3 a threat now, but also (later) g10
 colombe 2d*: i have the saying for you from a pro :
 jansteen 3d*:  pls colombe...
 colombe 2d*: the difference from a kikashi and a bad move is a paper thin
 colombe 2d*: :)
 imp NR : :)
 jansteen 3d*:  Maitre Lim ?
 colombe 2d*: no, no, a jap. pro
 jansteen 3d*:  Very interesting :)
]
;W[iq]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  This move protects g3
]
;B[qn]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  r6 natural
]
;W[np]C[
 bada 3d : now r6 makes sense since w is low
]
;B[qk]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Black plays solid because of white's center power
 imp NR : now, r5 or not?
 bada 3d : something in UR corner for sure
 jansteen 3d*:  r5 doesn't gain much
 bada 3d : r15?
 imp NR : r14
 jansteen 3d*:  r5, q6 exchange makes black strong, and corner still thin
 bada 3d : r14 invites b r12 which is ideal
 imp NR : then r17...
 jansteen 3d*:  anna: one of them lost on time, let me check...
 bada 3d : perhaps something on the 4th line (q14 or something)
 imp NR : b (NaiWei) lost on time
 jansteen 3d*:  Black lost on time
 YI 2k*: e5
 yaowin 3k*:  q10?
 jansteen 3d*:  White to invade right side
 jansteen 3d*:  Which point will you chose?
 bada 3d : let's go, jansteen :-)
 imp NR : its between r11 and r14 for me:)
 yaowin 3k*:  p15?
 jansteen 3d*:  r11 is not good
 yaowin 3k*:  r11, B has s4
 jansteen 3d*:  sorry :)
 colombe 2d*: g8
 imp NR : still prefer r14:)
 jansteen 3d*:  yes, imp, good point!
]
;W[qf]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Always look for moves which create two follow-up moves
 bada 3d : why is r14 good since b can play r12?
 jansteen 3d*:  What are the folow-up moves of this move, imp?
 colombe 2d*: r17 and r11
 imp NR : r11 and r17
 jansteen 3d*:  yes, good :)
]
;B[qh]C[
 imp NR : well, b looses corner, but outside interesting then
 bada 3d : i don't like w r14 - it doesn't fit moyo flow
 jansteen 3d*:  Of course, since players are professional, they confuse us by exchanging kikashi first...
]
;W[pk]C[
 colombe 2d*: difficult for white to build moyo here
]
;B[pl]
;W[qj]
;B[ql]C[
 colombe 2d*: d10 weak
]
;W[pd]
;B[pc]
;W[qc]C[
 imp NR : do this before the b outside is strong... interesting
]
;B[pe]
;W[od]
;B[qe]
;W[oc]
;B[pb]C[
 bada 3d : i don't like b's response to w q9
]
;W[ob]
;B[qb]
;W[oe]
;B[of]
;W[rc]
;B[rb]
;W[pf]
;B[rd]
;W[re]
;B[sc]
;W[ph]C[
 imp NR : and now b does not choose standard answer (q16) to r17:)
 jansteen 3d*:  end of white's sabaki...
 jansteen 3d*:  agree, white seems too good here
 bada 3d : doesn't look like first rate game by either player
 jansteen 3d*:  bada, are you kidding? :)
 bada 3d : well, from my perspective that's my impression
 bada 3d : clearly there are some first rate pro games and some average etc.
 YI 2k*: b p14 is bad
 bada 3d : this ranks as average or below in my opinion
 jansteen 3d*:  bada: a small anekdote
 imp NR : seems that w gets a good result by first kikashi
 iota NR : I could beat either player, if I could play 2 moves every turn
 imp NR : whatever b does
 iota NR : :)
 jansteen 3d*:  Once my wife asked Miyamoto Naoki: ....
 jansteen 3d*:  "We can not see difference between 10 and 20 kyu..."
 jansteen 3d*:  "What difference do you see between 5kyu and 5dan?"
 bada 3d : seems b must prevent w from makeing too much in center
 jansteen 3d*:  Miyamoto answered: "none" :)
 suzhou 2k*: no difer:)
 jansteen 3d*:  So, when we try to seperate good pro games from bad go games, that feels funny :)
 bada 3d : cute story - but not very interesting in my opinion
 yaowin 3k*:  I am glad to hear that
 bada 3d : no i think separating good pro games from bad ones is not too hard
 suzhou 2k*: if I said so, you guys would think it's bullshi.., but since it's from Miyamoto, pelple like to quote it:)
 bada 3d : in korea (on baduk cable), it gets done all the time
 imp NR : shall we go on?
 bada 3d : i agree with shouzhuo - i have high respect for most though
 yaowin 3k*:  q11?
 imp NR : let's see if b can do something back:)
 bada 3d : those trying to be too cute, i don't especially like...
 bada 3d : anyhow, time to get back to game :-)
 bada 3d : p14 stone is too heavy not to sacrifice somehow?
 suzhou 2k*: p11?
 jansteen 3d*:  Well, in my opinion there is a huge gap between these 9p's and us
]
;B[nf]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Well, in my opinion there is a huge gap between these 9p's and us
 bada 3d : g10 now perhaps as indirect way of shrinking w?
 jansteen 3d*:  Although we watch the same position we see different things
 jansteen 3d*:  The flow we can understand, but the action behind the scene is very tough
]
;W[me]
;B[pi]C[
 suzhou 2k*: agree
 bada 3d : no one argues with that statement, jansteen
 bada 3d : we were discussing a different point
 jansteen 3d*:  Maybe I missed the point, bada, sorry :)
]
;W[og]
;B[ng]
;W[nh]C[
 bada 3d : no need :-)
]
;B[mh]
;W[ni]C[
 suzhou 2k*: even if I have the talent and training, I don't wanna be a pro go player:)
 jansteen 3d*:  next?
 bada 3d : so b is trying to salvage p14 stone...
 colombe 2d*: s14
 yaowin 3k*:  q10?
 jansteen 3d*:  cool, colombe :)
]
;B[rf]
;W[pg]C[
 bada 3d : nice move, s14
 colombe 2d*: why i still 2d* ? :)
 imp NR : :)
 suzhou 2k*: 'cause u didn't pay tweet
 bada 3d : but b has heavy center group
 colombe 2d*: ha ha
 suzhou 2k*: n11
]
;B[ig]
;W[jf]
;B[jg]
;W[hg]
;B[gg]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  This strategy used by black here is high level:
 suzhou 2k*: Wei2 Wei1 Jiu4 Zhao4
 jansteen 3d*:  Black is looking very busy with p14 stone, while actually he's peeking at e10 group
]
;W[kg]C[
 suzhou 2k*: hmm, nice
]
;B[kf]
;W[je]
;B[mj]
;W[rg]
;B[ke]
;W[jd]
;B[kh]
;W[lg]
;B[lh]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Now white tough choice, next?
]
;W[jh]
;B[mg]C[
 bada 3d : why was it tough choice?
 colombe 2d*: r11
 jansteen 3d*:  next?
 colombe 2d*: no
 bada 3d : k11?
 jansteen 3d*:  yes, colombe, very good
 yaowin 3k*:  yeah, j12
]
;W[qi]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  white almost dying on right side
 colombe 2d*: fmc, give me a dan, pls :)
]
;B[lf]C[
 yaowin 3k*:  now does not seem W too good
]
;W[kg]
;B[pj]
;W[ri]
;B[nj]
;W[ok]
;B[oj]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Black is playing really well here
]
;W[nl]
;B[nn]
;W[ll]
;B[ln]
;W[nm]
;B[on]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Yes, shouzhuo, agree, very unusual
]
;W[jl]
;B[jj]
;W[hl]
;B[hj]C[
 suzhou 2k*: run:)
]
;W[ih]
;B[lk]
;W[lm]
;B[kn]
;W[gj]
;B[gi]
;W[hi]
;B[gk]
;W[ij]
;B[fj]
;W[ik]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  White is working... :)
]
;B[oh]
;W[sf]
;B[mi]
;W[rp]C[
 iota NR : b better be careful to live... oh, there :)
 jansteen 3d*:  ok, endgame started, score?
 imp NR : count me out; too difficult:)
 colombe 2d*: close
 jansteen 3d*:  Who's better then?
 colombe 2d*: bl
 colombe 2d*: i prefer bl
 suzhou 2k*: b better I think
 jansteen 3d*:  ok, let's see quickly the finish
]
;B[fm]
;W[lp]
;B[ro]
;W[qo]
;B[kk]
;W[gm]
;B[po]
;W[qp]
;B[fn]
;W[gl]
;B[fl]
;W[jm]
;B[rk]
;W[rh]
;B[rm]
;W[so]
;B[sn]
;W[rn]
;B[se]
;W[rf]C[
 colombe 2d*: s12 necessary ?
]
;B[ro]
;W[ji]
;B[ki]C[
 colombe 2d*: ok, ko
]
;W[rn]
;B[mo]
;W[mp]
;B[ro]
;W[oi]
;B[oh]
;W[rn]
;B[cr]
;W[sl]
;B[ro]
;W[oi]
;B[ni]
;W[rn]
;B[kl]
;W[km]
;B[ro]
;W[om]
;B[pm]
;W[rn]
;B[nk]
;W[sm]
;B[ol]
;W[dq]
;B[hq]
;W[hr]
;B[ip]
;W[jq]
;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[hp]
;W[gq]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  clever sequence by black
]
;B[la]
;W[mb]
;B[oa]
;W[nb]
;B[ca]
;W[br]
;B[bs]
;W[ba]
;B[cc]
;W[da]
;B[gr]
;W[gs]
;B[ca]
;W[ar]
;B[aq]
;W[da]
;B[ne]
;W[nd]
;B[ca]
;W[ds]
;B[as]
;W[da]
;B[ld]
;W[jb]
;B[ja]
;W[kb]
;B[ca]
;W[bb]
;B[ka]C[
 imp NR : agree
]
;W[md]
;B[sk]
;W[hk]C[
 imp NR : shaky game today:)
 jansteen 3d*:  haev to undo... :)
 jansteen 3d*:  one move though
 imp NR : did you drop a stone from fright? :)
 jansteen 3d*:  When I undo, IGS says: That command is currently disabled.
 imp NR : sounds not good...:)
 jansteen 3d*:  I entered black 251 but was not received by IGS
 jansteen 3d*:  So this black move is actually white's replay
 jansteen 3d*:  yes!
 jansteen 3d*:  quick, quick...!!
 jansteen 3d*:  malf won :)
]
;B[gj]
;W[kd]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  :)
 jansteen 3d*:  Too many reboots ;)
]
;B[hn]
;W[jk]
;B[kj]
;W[in]
;B[jn]
;W[im]
;B[fp]
;W[es]
;B[eo]
;W[eq]
;B[op]
;W[oq]
;B[oo]
;W[le]
;B[kp]
;W[kq]
;B[jp]
;W[cs]
;B[br]
;W[ae]
;B[af]
;W[ad]
;B[io]
;W[lo]
;B[ko]
;W[df]
;B[gn]
;W[gp]
;B[go]
;W[si]
;B[sd]C[
 jansteen 3d*:  Finished :)
 shah 5k*: who won?
 jansteen 3d*:  Anyone has a count?
 jansteen 3d*:  close enough
 jansteen 3d*:  B+7.5
 jansteen 3d*:  the fight after p14 decided I think
 jansteen 3d*:  Yes, but it's a lightning game not played under the best conditions
 jansteen 3d*:  In front of a life audience (400+) with life commentary :)
 jansteen 3d*:  I can not judge mbaxter
 imp NR : my board still has a ko at d19
 shah 5k*: thx jan
 jansteen 3d*:  mine too imp :) Let me check the game record
 jansteen 3d*:  White resigned that ko imp
 jansteen 3d*:  Thanks :)
 imp NR : thx:)
 jansteen 3d*:  highlight of the game was upper-left, and upper-right fighting
 zli 8k*:  too many thx
 jansteen 3d*:  next time Gosei again
 jansteen 3d*:  Kobayashi Koichi (9p,W) vs Yuki Satoshi (9p,B)
 jansteen 3d*:  This was special event, no tournament
]
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